1 00:00:11,860 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:11,870 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:25,530 --> 00:00:13,950 [Music] 4 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:28,120 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 5 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:32,090 episode number 584 for the 22nd of 6 00:00:38,049 --> 00:00:35,780 December 2019 richardsaunders here with 7 00:00:40,860 --> 00:00:38,059 you once again from the Bay Area San 8 00:00:47,020 --> 00:00:40,870 Francisco which is nice and foggy and 9 00:00:49,930 --> 00:00:47,030 cool and cold and foggy and foggy and I 10 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:49,940 really am concerned and thinking about 11 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:51,770 the people back in Australia in Sydney 12 00:00:59,229 --> 00:00:55,250 and watching the TV news yesterday on 13 00:01:01,149 --> 00:00:59,239 YouTube by the way ABC News 24 the 14 00:01:02,799 --> 00:01:01,159 Australian News Service 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:02,809 free on YouTube which is really good 16 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:04,570 when you're traveling and being 17 00:01:10,899 --> 00:01:08,390 horrified horrified by the ring of fire 18 00:01:13,899 --> 00:01:10,909 around Sydney the bad situation in South 19 00:01:15,219 --> 00:01:13,909 Australia the smoke the hazards the it's 20 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:15,229 not a good story it's not a good 21 00:01:18,969 --> 00:01:16,520 situation at all 22 00:01:20,620 --> 00:01:18,979 and I noticed my friend and reporter on 23 00:01:24,370 --> 00:01:20,630 the Skip Diggs and Trish Han was taking 24 00:01:26,499 --> 00:01:24,380 part in some protests about the about 25 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:26,509 the climate just recently and hats off 26 00:01:31,660 --> 00:01:28,880 to her and everybody who gets out there 27 00:01:33,789 --> 00:01:31,670 and makes their voices heard but coming 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:33,799 back to this week's show we have more 29 00:01:40,060 --> 00:01:36,890 and we will for the next few months more 30 00:01:42,910 --> 00:01:40,070 from Maynard who was running around like 31 00:01:45,550 --> 00:01:42,920 a lunatic which is quite normal at the 32 00:01:48,429 --> 00:01:45,560 recent skeptic on in Melbourne this week 33 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:48,439 Maynard catches up with Jaime Lopez 34 00:01:53,469 --> 00:01:51,320 somebody I had not met before just 35 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:53,479 somebody who came along to be part of 36 00:01:58,510 --> 00:01:55,969 skeptic on to see the talks an 37 00:02:02,770 --> 00:01:58,520 interesting story to tell somebody who 38 00:02:05,709 --> 00:02:02,780 was once into lots of belief and woo 39 00:02:08,350 --> 00:02:05,719 then Steve Roberts a good friend of mine 40 00:02:10,210 --> 00:02:08,360 and a longtime skeptic steals maynard's 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:10,220 microphone and does a bit of their 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:13,130 reporting himself may not also chats to 43 00:02:18,670 --> 00:02:15,850 Australian skeptics Inc president 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:18,680 jessica singer then he ends up in the 45 00:02:24,580 --> 00:02:21,770 media room Lee good people at the Vic 46 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:24,590 skeptics provided force and chats to 47 00:02:30,010 --> 00:02:27,140 skeptic CERN reporters Mandee Lee noble 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:30,020 and highly Robertson about all sorts of 49 00:02:36,350 --> 00:02:32,610 things including vitamins 50 00:02:39,620 --> 00:02:36,360 blood tests and the anti-vaxxer action 51 00:02:42,170 --> 00:02:39,630 to the Samoa situation and to remind you 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:42,180 where many children sadly have been 53 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:46,530 dying lately of measles after that once 54 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:48,540 again it's a reading from the book of 55 00:02:55,820 --> 00:02:51,840 Tim with Tim Mendham this segment 56 00:02:58,910 --> 00:02:55,830 Tim reads from a section of the skeptic 57 00:03:02,120 --> 00:02:58,920 magazine called what goes around this is 58 00:03:03,140 --> 00:03:02,130 all about psychic surgery and spirits 59 00:03:04,850 --> 00:03:03,150 and things like that 60 00:03:06,170 --> 00:03:04,860 and this week's episode of the skeptic 61 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:06,180 zone is slightly shorter than normal 62 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:10,620 owing to travel and jetlag and well life 63 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:12,570 sort of getting in the way every now and 64 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:15,000 then well I'm here in San Francisco in 65 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:17,570 the Bay Area I hope to interview some 66 00:03:25,610 --> 00:03:21,510 local skeptics and I also hope to take 67 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:25,620 part in a skeptic camp in Monterey which 68 00:03:31,130 --> 00:03:27,510 is south of San Francisco more news 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:31,140 about that in the coming weeks although 70 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:32,730 you can check out the link to that in 71 00:03:38,090 --> 00:03:35,850 this week's show notes stay tuned at the 72 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:38,100 end of the show for more announcements 73 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:38,730 from me 74 00:03:44,570 --> 00:03:41,640 but now it's time for me to put on 75 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:44,580 something warm run up the stairs see if 76 00:03:51,259 --> 00:03:48,360 there's any cheese some old cheese some 77 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:51,269 new cheese maybe some red cheese or blue 78 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:54,330 cheese this is Eva the skeptic stone or 79 00:03:59,630 --> 00:03:57,090 dr. Zeus I'm not sure which well I do 80 00:04:07,150 --> 00:03:59,640 that I hope you enjoy the skeptic zone 81 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:07,160 [Music] 82 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:16,130 years may not spooky action at the 83 00:04:20,339 --> 00:04:26,450 [Music] 84 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:28,550 well snippet and fans are coming thick 85 00:04:33,409 --> 00:04:30,210 and fast hit I hope I'm just looking 86 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:33,419 that hmm mr. skipped econ Italian yeah 87 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:35,759 yes Jaime Lopez here at Portuguese 88 00:04:40,010 --> 00:04:38,460 actually butcher keys hang on isn't that 89 00:04:42,050 --> 00:04:40,020 didn't they decriminalize a whole bunch 90 00:04:44,990 --> 00:04:42,060 of drugs recently well they criminalize 91 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:45,000 the use of drugs so yes and if you're 92 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:46,710 driving a huge van through like I am 93 00:04:49,610 --> 00:04:47,970 tending to do I could get in trouble 94 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:49,620 yeah you can still get into a lot of 95 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:51,240 trouble yes but at least you get help 96 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:53,400 for it instead of being fren into prison 97 00:04:56,450 --> 00:04:54,810 so has it been it's been going for about 98 00:04:58,340 --> 00:04:56,460 a year or two since I did this in 99 00:05:01,339 --> 00:04:58,350 Portugal have they had the long term 100 00:05:03,529 --> 00:05:01,349 actual evidence-based societal good or 101 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:03,539 not yes totally soon now instead of 102 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:05,880 actually criminalizing the use of drugs 103 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:07,620 they're they actually allow people to 104 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:09,750 seek help and so the social the social 105 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:11,580 environment and also the 106 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:13,710 psychotherapeutic treatment rather than 107 00:05:16,730 --> 00:05:15,090 the of what they had before which was 108 00:05:18,529 --> 00:05:16,740 basically nothing yeah and getting in 109 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:18,539 jail yes pretty much that helps nobody 110 00:05:22,189 --> 00:05:20,250 right and you get really annoyed when 111 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:22,199 people go alright Spanish people you 112 00:05:27,379 --> 00:05:24,330 hate that I just say I'm automatically 113 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:27,389 Mexican yeah and what are you looking 114 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:28,650 forward to this weekend it's a huge 115 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:29,940 weekend of skeptical 116 00:05:34,670 --> 00:05:32,820 knock-down drag-out action you know what 117 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:34,680 it's my first time here at skeptic on so 118 00:05:38,719 --> 00:05:37,320 I'm looking for us like hearing all the 119 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:38,729 speakers just give the talks and just 120 00:05:41,899 --> 00:05:40,110 getting involved in the skeptical 121 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:41,909 movement never had done this before so 122 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:43,740 so it's a good eye opener for me you 123 00:05:46,820 --> 00:05:45,210 know what now you've seen the skeptics 124 00:05:49,250 --> 00:05:46,830 guide to the universe people who they 125 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:49,260 look the way you thought that look from 126 00:05:52,460 --> 00:05:50,970 hearing them yeah actually they do 127 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:52,470 because like I did see a couple of 128 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:54,360 photos they do follow alpha quadrant six 129 00:05:58,670 --> 00:05:56,220 as well and I actually settle this in 130 00:06:00,350 --> 00:05:58,680 today s GU because of Harrisons Maria so 131 00:06:01,909 --> 00:06:00,360 when she jumped on yes to you then I 132 00:06:03,499 --> 00:06:01,919 like oh wait I need to hear more about 133 00:06:04,909 --> 00:06:03,509 this so that's when I jumped on them as 134 00:06:06,770 --> 00:06:04,919 well I've read the title of her talk 135 00:06:08,210 --> 00:06:06,780 over the weekend and frankly my little 136 00:06:09,499 --> 00:06:08,220 ape brain doesn't really understand it 137 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:09,509 do you know what her talk is actually 138 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:11,940 about no we'll find out no it's you have 139 00:06:16,029 --> 00:06:14,130 one for me oh that's good and look also 140 00:06:18,980 --> 00:06:16,039 because you're a now for quadrant six 141 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:18,990 Lister Star Wars or Star Trek 142 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:23,130 oh that's a hard one Doctor Who very 143 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:24,690 diplomatic answer there but then again 144 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:27,960 people say well which doctor or I will 145 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:29,220 abstain from answering from that one 146 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:31,320 well done you are well practices as you 147 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:32,430 did you don't want to get into fight to 148 00:06:35,970 --> 00:06:34,110 the skipper meeting I can tell that kind 149 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:35,980 of thing so the two minutes kept easier 150 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:37,180 they are too because everyone's got 151 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:38,710 their own very stronger there'd be 152 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:40,210 someone that there's a huge Colin Baker 153 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:41,800 fan you gotta watch out for that okay I 154 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:44,080 will do yeah point him out and we'll see 155 00:06:47,460 --> 00:06:45,370 I'll try to avoid him and how did you 156 00:06:50,250 --> 00:06:47,470 get in until you got into listening to 157 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:50,260 the skeptic zone how again well I was 158 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:52,480 looking for more skeptical movement so 159 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:54,670 more had actually get involved into the 160 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:56,410 skipper movement here in Australia so I 161 00:06:59,700 --> 00:06:57,850 started seeing the skeptics in the pub 162 00:07:01,680 --> 00:06:59,710 the skeptic zone so I started getting 163 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:01,690 slowly and more involved into all this 164 00:07:07,590 --> 00:07:04,020 into podcast and seeing what I could do 165 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:07,600 but actually before this or about let's 166 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:09,550 say five years ago I was deep into 167 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:12,190 pseudoscience and deep into so what was 168 00:07:15,330 --> 00:07:13,810 your womb of choice at the time was that 169 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:15,340 a medical one or was it a conspiracy 170 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:17,560 based one you know what anything from 171 00:07:23,190 --> 00:07:20,320 the age of 14 to about 24 I spent 10 172 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:23,200 years studying occultism so yeah I was 173 00:07:27,270 --> 00:07:25,270 actually a Reiki Master used to the 174 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:27,280 order readings of Sutra would you do it 175 00:07:31,470 --> 00:07:28,690 oh could you do Rolfing over the phone 176 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:31,480 Oh totally anything it because energy 177 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:33,640 travels for any medium right so that's 178 00:07:39,450 --> 00:07:37,330 all we needed to do so yeah so after a 179 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:39,460 while I just thought no I spent 10 years 180 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:41,680 of my life looking into all this 181 00:07:45,810 --> 00:07:43,630 pseudoscience spirituality and gave me 182 00:07:47,220 --> 00:07:45,820 nothing other than confirmation by us it 183 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:47,230 a bit awkward when you meet people who 184 00:07:50,730 --> 00:07:48,550 used to know you back then and don't 185 00:07:52,170 --> 00:07:50,740 know you know what no not at all 186 00:07:53,610 --> 00:07:52,180 it's like they live their own lives 187 00:07:55,050 --> 00:07:53,620 they're still doing what they and what 188 00:07:57,870 --> 00:07:55,060 they do and I grew up in Portugal so 189 00:08:00,060 --> 00:07:57,880 that's very it's very spiritual and 190 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:00,070 thought about the nature so that is that 191 00:08:04,830 --> 00:08:03,130 as big into Catholicism in Spain oh yeah 192 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:04,840 pretty much yeah yeah but at the same 193 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:07,090 time you have a new neo movement with 194 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:09,340 this younger generation as well which 195 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:11,380 try to seek a bit more of an outlet of 196 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:14,170 spirituality rather than religion so a 197 00:08:18,450 --> 00:08:16,510 new agey kind of thing exactly right 198 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:18,460 like God is everywhere kind of thing God 199 00:08:23,790 --> 00:08:20,650 is everywhere in anything and it's all 200 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:23,800 about energy is all about connection so 201 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:26,830 that's sort of attachment yeah that it 202 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:29,560 was an interesting change from that into 203 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:32,680 science Wow yeah well it's how to work 204 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:34,180 too because you got to read and look up 205 00:08:39,570 --> 00:08:37,270 stuff Oh totally oh my god like I said 206 00:08:42,150 --> 00:08:39,580 it's been about 10 years just looking 207 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:42,160 into spirituality and practicing I was 208 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:44,560 part of a coven in Portugal 209 00:08:51,090 --> 00:08:47,590 it's those to that point of wow yes you 210 00:08:53,130 --> 00:08:51,100 see my eyes phone there was it was a 211 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:53,140 huge thing and to actually transition 212 00:08:58,410 --> 00:08:56,050 from that into a more critical sceptical 213 00:09:00,930 --> 00:08:58,420 scientific thinking it changed a bit of 214 00:09:03,150 --> 00:09:00,940 my personality and a bit of how identify 215 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:03,160 myself as well without strongly strongly 216 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:05,190 rooted into the whole belief of 217 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:08,260 pseudoscience and spiritualism one of 218 00:09:11,310 --> 00:09:09,610 the questions that comes up a little bit 219 00:09:12,990 --> 00:09:11,320 in atheist circles too for people that 220 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:13,000 were deeply involved in in various 221 00:09:16,860 --> 00:09:15,520 faiths is the faiths because they don't 222 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:16,870 require evidence they're they're much 223 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:18,940 more calming and there's much more like 224 00:09:23,790 --> 00:09:20,890 if something bad happens there's a more 225 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:23,800 amorphous way you can absorb a shock 226 00:09:28,650 --> 00:09:26,290 with a belief where with evidence that's 227 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:28,660 not the case and that's very true I felt 228 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:31,180 like in you could twist nearly anything 229 00:09:36,210 --> 00:09:34,180 and everything to fit a spiritual pseudo 230 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:36,220 scientific approach I was even saying 231 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:38,230 earlier so when I was doing Reiki for 232 00:09:42,450 --> 00:09:39,880 meals like oh but we have iron in our 233 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:42,460 blood and so that iron travels through 234 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:43,600 our blood for our body and that 235 00:09:47,579 --> 00:09:45,190 generates a magnetic field and that 236 00:09:50,780 --> 00:09:47,589 magnetic field that we see is our aura 237 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:50,790 so that actually as you can see we have 238 00:09:56,340 --> 00:09:53,770 scientifically the scientific words that 239 00:09:58,829 --> 00:09:56,350 sound laws well turned into a pseudo 240 00:10:01,560 --> 00:09:58,839 scientific paradigm that all of a sudden 241 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:01,570 now feeds into spirituality so the less 242 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:03,010 I know or the more I know about 243 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:04,930 something very specific and the less I 244 00:10:08,670 --> 00:10:06,160 know about anything else it kind of 245 00:10:11,070 --> 00:10:08,680 leads me down that route as well so I 246 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:11,080 felt like oh I could explain what I was 247 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:12,400 doing 248 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:14,530 spiritually but in the scientific manner 249 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:16,960 by saying but iron and magnetism and 250 00:10:20,790 --> 00:10:17,710 auras 251 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:20,800 yeah so and now you haven't got that and 252 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:22,330 you've had to go oh well how does that 253 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:24,130 work oh I better do some work and look 254 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:24,400 it up 255 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:26,800 well actually I actually saw most of you 256 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:28,000 that's that's true but I actually saw 257 00:10:31,770 --> 00:10:29,830 that a lot of science gave me plenty of 258 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:31,780 questions but it answers many more many 259 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:33,330 more of them and it gives me a 260 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:35,770 systematic approach to answers rather 261 00:10:39,510 --> 00:10:37,810 than just giving me the answers that I 262 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:39,520 want to believe in it gives me the 263 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:40,750 answers that are true or an 264 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:42,970 approximation to the truth rather than 265 00:10:46,140 --> 00:10:45,130 what I want to believe in which is in 266 00:10:47,610 --> 00:10:46,150 way more 267 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:47,620 filling you must be really looking 268 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:49,240 forward to the seance that's going to be 269 00:10:52,830 --> 00:10:50,770 happening with mark Edward oh that 270 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:52,840 science will be amazing yeah yeah I want 271 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:55,570 to be internal to spirits I know I kind 272 00:11:00,090 --> 00:10:58,330 of know how I used to do seances as well 273 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:00,100 so I used to be involved in the whole 274 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:03,370 whoo of everything so so so you were 275 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:05,200 sort of fooling yourself in many ways 276 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:06,850 because you genuinely believe so when 277 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:08,170 you said anything that was like oh 278 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:10,210 you've positively Ault that that's what 279 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:11,770 that is yes yeah I was that always the 280 00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:14,590 true believer I thought that people 281 00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:15,640 didn't have access to this knowledge 282 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:17,260 just because they're then in the invest 283 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:18,940 in it and they needed to actually be 284 00:11:23,370 --> 00:11:20,800 true believers to have access to this 285 00:11:25,830 --> 00:11:23,380 knowledge that anyone else wasn't able 286 00:11:27,630 --> 00:11:25,840 to have and now I guess people come to 287 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:27,640 y'all look before man you are so 288 00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:29,890 open-minded now you're so closed you're 289 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:31,270 hanging with the stifling skeptics are 290 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:32,710 so closed-minded if you've got that one 291 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:34,210 you know well you know it's not it's 292 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:36,070 what what did I say it's like having 293 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:37,720 open mind but not open enough that your 294 00:11:41,430 --> 00:11:39,760 brains fall out right and I felt like my 295 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:41,440 brains are falling out back then but now 296 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:43,690 I haven't been more of a sieve going on 297 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:46,090 so things get captured but it's don't 298 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:47,200 throw the baby out with the bathwater 299 00:11:52,050 --> 00:11:49,720 and just keep what it's actual science 300 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:52,060 and actual truth rather than just what 301 00:11:55,380 --> 00:11:54,190 you want to believe in well-spoken and 302 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:55,390 before you go give this you your 303 00:11:58,980 --> 00:11:57,370 favorite skeptical scientific website 304 00:12:00,450 --> 00:11:58,990 these that you'd recommend to people it 305 00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:00,460 might be one we know it might be one we 306 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:02,320 don't know oh that is a very good 307 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:04,630 question I mean I would always go to the 308 00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:06,640 SG you just because I'm a huge fan and 309 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:09,430 the skeptic side as well and not to 310 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:10,840 mention this kept it under sceptics got 311 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:14,710 to the University of any sceptical 312 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:16,660 thinking and critical thinking that 313 00:12:20,010 --> 00:12:18,430 everyone should have it their home look 314 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:20,020 and one of the good science shows I like 315 00:12:23,310 --> 00:12:21,850 a diffusion science radio is always a 316 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:23,320 good one too it's reporting on some 317 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:25,090 local stories from around Australia from 318 00:12:28,110 --> 00:12:26,380 time to time it's been going for years 319 00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:28,120 and you and his news wrap-up at the 320 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:29,830 beginning is often stuff you might miss 321 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:30,730 yeah 322 00:12:34,140 --> 00:12:32,530 perfect all we got up thank you very 323 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:34,150 much and you have to look and they need 324 00:12:43,489 --> 00:12:41,749 oh yeah but Jessica though in the ball 325 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:43,499 the pup I'll just see how you going hey 326 00:12:48,530 --> 00:12:46,410 Dave how you going yeah yeah we're 327 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:48,540 sitting here in the call of the bar but 328 00:12:53,869 --> 00:12:52,470 I found this Mike Steve racing away 329 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:53,879 they're interviewing people for no 330 00:12:56,449 --> 00:12:54,689 reason at all 331 00:12:58,340 --> 00:12:56,459 yeah I ever did I found them I can find 332 00:13:01,040 --> 00:12:58,350 lying around and I'll give it a go and 333 00:13:03,169 --> 00:13:01,050 she wasn't he dusted it look yeah I've 334 00:13:04,609 --> 00:13:03,179 been sleeping in your garage just 335 00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:04,619 underneath the motorbike and it's been 336 00:13:06,650 --> 00:13:05,279 great thank you 337 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:06,660 oh it's a fusion I don't be charged 338 00:13:10,819 --> 00:13:08,929 extra for that but to you my son yep 339 00:13:12,829 --> 00:13:10,829 although your motorbike does have 340 00:13:14,749 --> 00:13:12,839 Netflix I appreciate that look and also 341 00:13:16,489 --> 00:13:14,759 we have been doing a fairly Indian 342 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:16,499 in-depth report on the roaming cat 343 00:13:20,389 --> 00:13:19,199 problem in the Aero council area I've 344 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:20,399 been broadening this up with a few 345 00:13:24,199 --> 00:13:22,050 people have you ever personally had to 346 00:13:26,179 --> 00:13:24,209 trouble with a roaming cat well I do you 347 00:13:28,009 --> 00:13:26,189 next door's cat comes in and I'm very in 348 00:13:30,169 --> 00:13:28,019 Dyson to see the robing cat policy of 349 00:13:32,410 --> 00:13:30,179 the hour counsel whereupon recaps the 350 00:13:34,489 --> 00:13:32,420 decree to be low being cats are 351 00:13:36,799 --> 00:13:34,499 identified as such and the Robie cat 352 00:13:39,169 --> 00:13:36,809 officer will come and identify them 353 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:39,179 again and plague isn't it like if you 354 00:13:43,309 --> 00:13:40,800 can see the cat's going up trees and 355 00:13:44,749 --> 00:13:43,319 attacking possums that's something but 356 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:44,759 just the fact it's wandering around at 357 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:46,290 night what do you think Jessica well I'm 358 00:13:53,019 --> 00:13:48,569 the lawyer here so I say define roaming 359 00:13:55,819 --> 00:13:53,029 cat what is a roaming cat cats roams I 360 00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:55,829 did I went to their legislation on the 361 00:14:00,559 --> 00:13:57,839 Aero council website and appears to be a 362 00:14:03,230 --> 00:14:00,569 cat that is continually coming onto your 363 00:14:05,119 --> 00:14:03,240 property and you don't want it to and 364 00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:05,129 it's as simple as that you have to be 365 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:08,639 following continually yes cats have 366 00:14:12,860 --> 00:14:10,649 their own territory they go out and 367 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:12,870 about it's quite turn also the fact that 368 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:15,120 if the Ranger catches the cat it will 369 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:16,949 take it to the lost dogs home which is 370 00:14:22,239 --> 00:14:19,170 probably not a place for a cat they'd 371 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:22,249 hate it and I mean cats roam it's 372 00:14:26,079 --> 00:14:25,110 natural that wonderful world what 373 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:26,089 wonderful word 374 00:14:31,509 --> 00:14:29,809 natural therefore it must be good you'd 375 00:14:33,699 --> 00:14:31,519 have to bring the Ranger to the place 376 00:14:34,929 --> 00:14:33,709 where the cat is roaming and by the time 377 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:34,939 he got there the cat thought he wouldn't 378 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:36,529 be roaming anymore that's the thing they 379 00:14:39,429 --> 00:14:38,120 want to be quick especially if the cat 380 00:14:42,780 --> 00:14:39,439 knows he's gonna be dumping the lost 381 00:14:45,069 --> 00:14:42,790 dogs home somewhere else if I was you 382 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:45,079 imagine what the Rangers van must smell 383 00:14:48,579 --> 00:14:46,970 like because it's mainly dogs that go in 384 00:14:49,660 --> 00:14:48,589 there and a cat would smell that coming 385 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:49,670 down the road a mile away 386 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:52,370 oh but a cat could pee and that would 387 00:14:57,699 --> 00:14:54,980 that would cancel out any don't smell 388 00:15:00,189 --> 00:14:57,709 and just get you're down from Sydney as 389 00:15:01,660 --> 00:15:00,199 as the president are you gonna be 390 00:15:05,949 --> 00:15:01,670 eyeballing them and yeah are you gonna 391 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:05,959 try and um you know you can try and 392 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:07,730 white ant their conference like they'll 393 00:15:12,670 --> 00:15:08,930 be doing something and you'll be up the 394 00:15:14,170 --> 00:15:12,680 back going okay or boot stuff like that 395 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:14,180 and getting round at different places in 396 00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:15,290 the audience and pretending you're 397 00:15:19,869 --> 00:15:17,389 another person booing yeah you gotta try 398 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:19,879 and wreck it for him absolutely not we 399 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:22,370 we love the Victorian skeptics and we 400 00:15:26,319 --> 00:15:24,410 have a great relationship with them and 401 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:26,329 work very well with them 402 00:15:29,980 --> 00:15:28,490 we absolutely fully support the man it's 403 00:15:32,829 --> 00:15:29,990 just wonderful to see they've done a 404 00:15:35,860 --> 00:15:32,839 fantastic job organizing and I'm so 405 00:15:37,239 --> 00:15:35,870 looking forward to it when you're 406 00:15:40,329 --> 00:15:37,249 looking forward to is one of the talks 407 00:15:42,090 --> 00:15:40,339 oh hey they all look good as to you of 408 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:42,100 course 409 00:15:46,110 --> 00:15:44,530 Oh susan gerbic it's great to have her 410 00:15:48,180 --> 00:15:46,120 and she'll be coming to Sydney later and 411 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:48,190 doing skeptics in the pub and the seance 412 00:15:52,590 --> 00:15:50,770 with Mark and the seance with mark I 413 00:15:54,510 --> 00:15:52,600 know very intriguing so yeah looking 414 00:15:59,050 --> 00:15:54,520 forward to it all okay very diplomatic 415 00:15:59,060 --> 00:16:02,290 [Music] 416 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:05,900 well skeptic zone listener you're inside 417 00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:08,190 the media room right now I'm here on my 418 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:12,140 own but let me describe this secret VIP 419 00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:16,110 backstage podcasters and media only room 420 00:16:20,690 --> 00:16:18,990 to you there's a couple of tables looks 421 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:20,700 a bit like a small lecture room there's 422 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:23,310 a couple of blank whiteboards and that's 423 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:25,130 about it really it's got all the 424 00:16:31,010 --> 00:16:29,880 exuberance and excitement of a 1987 used 425 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:31,020 Ford Cortina 426 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:33,420 it's it's just like that and only 427 00:16:38,420 --> 00:16:36,840 slightly larger now look over in the 428 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:38,430 media room here as I mentioned earlier 429 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:40,410 it has all the ambience of a secondhand 430 00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:44,370 1987 Ford Cortina except it's only 431 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:46,350 slightly larger who've we got here first 432 00:16:50,090 --> 00:16:48,450 off the mark with the honor sign on as 433 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:50,100 well you can't see it but the honor sign 434 00:16:55,330 --> 00:16:52,950 is on us now I'm mandelino rule 435 00:16:59,690 --> 00:16:55,340 accredited practicing dietitian and 436 00:17:03,980 --> 00:16:59,700 skeptic that's right yes oh and skeptics 437 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:03,990 a reporter of course yes she's the one 438 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:05,490 who recommended I'd do the white 439 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:08,250 battling diet and I try really hard 440 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:09,329 because he said the only thing that 441 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:13,050 works briefly not quite true I said that 442 00:17:16,310 --> 00:17:14,490 no diets do not work 443 00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:16,320 most people try to white knuckle their 444 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:18,120 way through it but weight seems to 445 00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:19,650 always come back okay so for those 446 00:17:22,579 --> 00:17:20,880 hungry people out there on a diet now 447 00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:22,589 wouldn't you like a biscuit and who else 448 00:17:30,860 --> 00:17:29,400 have we got here Heidi Robertson from 449 00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:30,870 the Northern Rivers vaccination 450 00:17:38,780 --> 00:17:36,600 supporters smile no I was just I was 451 00:17:40,250 --> 00:17:38,790 just upstairs and I heard dr. brad say 452 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:40,260 that you should just take lots of 453 00:17:43,610 --> 00:17:42,210 vitamin C and that'll oh hang on though 454 00:17:46,820 --> 00:17:43,620 he was saying that's what didn't work is 455 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:46,830 that correct yeah most of us are getting 456 00:17:51,290 --> 00:17:48,990 plenty of right or enough vitamin C and 457 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:51,300 it doesn't really work on colds or flus 458 00:17:56,930 --> 00:17:54,270 at all so not really worth of 459 00:17:58,550 --> 00:17:56,940 supplementing it with with it well and 460 00:18:01,640 --> 00:17:58,560 actually if you want to know if you're 461 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:01,650 deficient of a vitamin is it as easy as 462 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:04,140 a blood test or not yeah you definitely 463 00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:05,850 shouldn't be taking any supplements 464 00:18:09,410 --> 00:18:07,920 unless you GPS recommended it and you 465 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:09,420 really need to find out whether you're 466 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:12,090 deficient because vitamins and minerals 467 00:18:14,450 --> 00:18:13,770 aren't an oculist and they can actually 468 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:14,460 cause really 469 00:18:18,050 --> 00:18:16,230 serious symptoms if people are getting 470 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:18,060 too much all those things but also 471 00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:21,090 taking some vitamins can mask the 472 00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:23,940 symptoms of being deficient in others so 473 00:18:28,550 --> 00:18:26,100 it can kind of cause a lot of problems 474 00:18:30,620 --> 00:18:28,560 so definitely don't see a GP or can't 475 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:30,630 see a dietitian right and of course if 476 00:18:33,310 --> 00:18:31,890 you go for a test as well as the 477 00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:33,320 vitamins gonna get all the other little 478 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:35,220 minerals in your blood that should be 479 00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:36,930 there and measure all of them as well be 480 00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:39,960 that good do we get everything there's 481 00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:40,980 different ways to differ 482 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:44,160 to test different deficiencies but for 483 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:45,720 the most part there's only really a 484 00:18:49,250 --> 00:18:47,430 couple of key things that we may be 485 00:18:52,010 --> 00:18:49,260 deficient in in Australia we have like 486 00:18:54,620 --> 00:18:52,020 access to really good nutrition and most 487 00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:54,630 of us are not deficient most of us 488 00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,160 despite what people say because they go 489 00:19:00,170 --> 00:18:58,320 oh no the food you're buying calls all 490 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,180 the vitamins and goodness has gone out 491 00:19:04,580 --> 00:19:02,460 of it that's completely not true it's 492 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:04,590 really I mean I'm gonna stop saying that 493 00:19:08,210 --> 00:19:06,990 and cause then just that really annoys 494 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:08,220 them particularly in the fish section 495 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:09,570 when I'm talking about the vegetables 496 00:19:14,420 --> 00:19:12,030 yeah and but definitely especially if 497 00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:14,430 you're eating those core foods so you 498 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:16,500 know fruit vegetables meat so sort of 499 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:18,990 things not everyone in Australia has the 500 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:20,910 same level access I will totally 501 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:22,290 acknowledge that but for the majority of 502 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:24,450 Australians we do have good food and and 503 00:19:28,580 --> 00:19:26,310 eating good food and a big variety of 504 00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:28,590 food so lots of different foods it's 505 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:30,360 definitely the way to go and what's the 506 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:31,890 hot-button issue up in the Northern 507 00:19:35,780 --> 00:19:33,570 Rivers at the moment are they are there 508 00:19:38,930 --> 00:19:35,790 any great chemtrail posters going up up 509 00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:38,940 there anything new what's going on just 510 00:19:45,530 --> 00:19:42,060 the usual the anti vaccination stuff is 511 00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:45,540 always at the forefront of and how 512 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:46,500 they've been reacting to the situation 513 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:48,930 in Samoa in any particular way a little 514 00:19:55,450 --> 00:19:51,690 bit quiet on that front bit of blue 515 00:20:01,820 --> 00:19:58,790 well I i have heard when when they do 516 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:01,830 discuss it that they are saying well 517 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:07,710 we're only hearing what mainstream media 518 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:09,660 is reporting we don't know the real 519 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:11,310 story of what's going on 520 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:13,590 the children over there that are dying 521 00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:16,230 are vitamin A deficient and that's what 522 00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:18,900 is causing the deaths and the doctors 523 00:20:24,830 --> 00:20:21,180 should be giving vitamin A the doctors 524 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,840 are apparently giving antibiotics for a 525 00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:27,120 viral it like they just they are just 526 00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:28,500 doing 527 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:31,520 the most astounding mental gymnastics to 528 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:36,870 to justify their position in operating 529 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:38,790 on that might be in the ABC News online 530 00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:40,290 last night the person had been arrested 531 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:42,120 for disseminating I think anti 532 00:20:47,030 --> 00:20:44,310 vaccination on Facebook it was his 533 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:47,040 supporters were being urged to send him 534 00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:50,250 vitamin supplements like no money like 535 00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:52,140 no no don't write to the government send 536 00:20:54,860 --> 00:20:53,460 him vitamin supplements I thought that 537 00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:54,870 was kind of interesting is he expecting 538 00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:56,520 a bad diet in jail or something as you 539 00:21:00,290 --> 00:20:59,250 know oh I didn't hear about that I just 540 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,300 read that was interesting mother that 541 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:02,640 they were encouraged seeing them it's 542 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:04,530 the support of vitamin supplements I 543 00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:06,090 thought okay I think that they actually 544 00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:08,460 to give to the people in Samoa and one 545 00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:09,960 of the really big problems that people 546 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:11,580 have to realize is I know that there's 547 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:12,950 him and there's a couple of other 548 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:15,450 alternative medicine providers in Samoa 549 00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:17,910 is that they're getting people groups of 550 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:19,860 people to come to their houses for 551 00:21:23,660 --> 00:21:22,170 treatment so in a place where we have a 552 00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:23,670 measles outbreak they're actually 553 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,620 congregating groups of young people 554 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:27,360 which is not at the moment actually 555 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:29,310 illegal in Samoa it's illegal to have 556 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:32,070 groups of under-19s together but also 557 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:33,990 just just making the problem a lot worse 558 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,870 so these people are really paying 559 00:21:40,670 --> 00:21:38,640 treatment because they're they're saying 560 00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:40,680 well come to my house and have the 561 00:21:46,670 --> 00:21:44,760 alkaline walk water and that will that 562 00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:46,680 will cure you and here are some vitamins 563 00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,840 and therefore they're delaying treatment 564 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:51,440 and by the time the kids get really sick 565 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:54,210 they check that you know they're being 566 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:56,070 admitted to hospital and they're dying 567 00:21:58,790 --> 00:21:57,570 and then all of a sudden it's the 568 00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:58,800 doctors fault because they're all dying 569 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:00,900 in hospital and isn't it terrible and 570 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:02,910 it's it's not like Australia you don't 571 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:04,770 have you know Australia's who are really 572 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:06,990 amazing health care you're not going to 573 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:08,670 get that similar health care so once 574 00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:11,010 children are in trouble they are really 575 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:11,580 in trouble 576 00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:13,800 it's a it's quite quick what happens 577 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:15,900 after that's not very good so imagine 578 00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,730 but being a mother with a very very 579 00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:19,440 young child there you just have to stay 580 00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:20,790 inside the house should be says good 581 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:22,740 yeah yeah it would be really terrifying 582 00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:23,730 for those people and I'm really 583 00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:25,380 confusing as well because they've had a 584 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,790 year of this auntie VAX messages and and 585 00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:31,740 parents are really acting or they think 586 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:33,480 of the good right thing to do and trying 587 00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:35,370 to protect their children and now 588 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,660 they've got this mental a break so I 589 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:38,640 think it would be really quite traumatic 590 00:22:43,419 --> 00:22:40,130 for everyone involved 591 00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:43,429 so as the anti-vaccination weary there 592 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:45,230 or is it that you will get the measles 593 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:47,090 from having the vaccine what seem to be 594 00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:48,770 the message that's going there there's a 595 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,480 bit of both yet the vaccine is is is 596 00:22:59,260 --> 00:22:55,760 dangerous you will get measles from the 597 00:23:00,850 --> 00:22:59,270 vaccine it will give you autism all all 598 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:00,860 of the anti vaccination tropes are 599 00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,160 coming out what I often feel about the 600 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:06,080 anti-vaccination movement and and some 601 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:08,030 of the anti science members is it isn't 602 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:10,100 always necessarily anti science it seems 603 00:23:14,409 --> 00:23:12,530 to be an anti corporate ism anti-global 604 00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,419 ism thing they've got there if I got the 605 00:23:17,860 --> 00:23:15,679 wrong end of the stick there but I seem 606 00:23:19,539 --> 00:23:17,870 to get it's not it's the the vaccine 607 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:19,549 might be okay but it's a way the it's 608 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:22,490 being marketed or the way that the they 609 00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:23,929 want that I want to sell it or something 610 00:23:26,830 --> 00:23:25,700 it's an anti capitalism thing it am I 611 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:26,840 getting the wrong end of the stick there 612 00:23:32,399 --> 00:23:28,850 but that's what it seems to start with I 613 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,409 think it's really really multifaceted so 614 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:35,840 you could find anti-vaxxers that take 615 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:39,200 any sort of position whether it's even a 616 00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:42,830 religious one as what we've seen or it's 617 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:46,580 about you know just just pushing back 618 00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:48,289 against medication maybe they've had 619 00:23:52,419 --> 00:23:51,140 like an earlier engagement with the 620 00:23:55,149 --> 00:23:52,429 health professional or hasn't gone well 621 00:23:57,789 --> 00:23:55,159 and then that's spread into a widespread 622 00:23:59,919 --> 00:23:57,799 distrust of health services so it is 623 00:24:02,620 --> 00:23:59,929 really really multifaceted it really 624 00:24:05,169 --> 00:24:02,630 pays when someone is promoting an anti 625 00:24:07,690 --> 00:24:05,179 packs idea to find out what it is to ask 626 00:24:10,299 --> 00:24:07,700 some questions where did this thought 627 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:10,309 that vaccination was going to be harmful 628 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:13,370 and not good idea come from yeah what 629 00:24:16,510 --> 00:24:14,630 have you found in the Northern Rivers is 630 00:24:18,669 --> 00:24:16,520 it more of a general anti-capitalist 631 00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:18,679 thing or is it specifically science that 632 00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:22,400 they're arguing with it just depends who 633 00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:24,440 you speak with it's different it's not 634 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:27,620 there's no one easy answer to this so 635 00:24:34,330 --> 00:24:30,110 yeah a lot of people in the Northern 636 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:34,340 Rivers have a general mistrust of you 637 00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:37,850 know corporate corporate bodies and 638 00:24:43,210 --> 00:24:40,400 capitalism and all that kind of stuff 639 00:24:45,130 --> 00:24:43,220 big pharma is that you know and they 640 00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:45,140 always seem to mention the the vaccine 641 00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,909 court in the US how it's not a real 642 00:24:50,409 --> 00:24:48,559 thing and it protects the company in an 643 00:24:51,010 --> 00:24:50,419 unfair way from any damage they would do 644 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:51,020 they often 645 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:53,150 man up - and and what happens is - that 646 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:56,090 co-opt things theories as they go along 647 00:24:59,920 --> 00:24:57,770 and they build this big theory so that 648 00:25:03,640 --> 00:24:59,930 they'll Andrew Wakefield will always 649 00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:03,650 come up or someone else so as you unpack 650 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,020 it you'll find that bits and pieces from 651 00:25:09,220 --> 00:25:07,760 other theories and so and sometimes some 652 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,230 of these things are conflicting I will 653 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:11,120 say in their arguments but they're 654 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:12,530 they'll get co-opted into this 655 00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:16,370 widespread distrust of modern medicine 656 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:19,430 and those sort of things the only way I 657 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:21,310 think the Northern Rivers vaccination 658 00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:23,990 supporters has a really great way that 659 00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:26,870 they're sort of trying to unpack these 660 00:25:32,110 --> 00:25:29,750 and listen to people and not and not 661 00:25:34,030 --> 00:25:32,120 have that aggressive anti but you know 662 00:25:36,430 --> 00:25:34,040 sort of pushback against them but 663 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:36,440 actually try to understand a bit more 664 00:25:40,780 --> 00:25:38,090 about it well is that right Heidi yeah 665 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:40,790 that's that's what we try to do 666 00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:42,950 having said that I'm the first to admit 667 00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:45,440 that I still get extremely frustrated at 668 00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:49,280 times and it's really hard at times to 669 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:53,150 not just go a little bit for people but 670 00:26:01,120 --> 00:25:58,010 yes we do try and isolate one or two of 671 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:01,130 their main concerns and and not start 672 00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,290 throwing facts and science at them and 673 00:26:07,330 --> 00:26:05,360 bombarding them but listening and like 674 00:26:09,010 --> 00:26:07,340 we say and I've said it a thousand times 675 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:09,020 on skeptic zone before they're a 676 00:26:12,730 --> 00:26:10,970 thousand cups of tea approach because 677 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:12,740 you're not going to change someone's 678 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:16,190 mind in one session of talking to them 679 00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:17,420 it's not like you can tell them the 680 00:26:21,610 --> 00:26:18,920 facts and all of a sudden if they change 681 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:21,620 their mind it takes a long time and bit 682 00:26:26,290 --> 00:26:24,680 by bit what would be just to finalize 683 00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:26,300 see the opening elevator pitch because 684 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:27,680 someone goes on I'm not so sure about 685 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:29,450 vaccinations is there like a couple of 686 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,010 sentences you could just quietly say to 687 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:32,960 them that's a good opening way to that 688 00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:35,090 thousand cups of tea I don't have a 689 00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:36,980 script or anything to go by it really 690 00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:38,990 depends on the person I'm speaking to 691 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:42,440 the circumstances you know how long 692 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:45,530 we've got to chat I will listen to them 693 00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:47,750 and I might say something to them like 694 00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:52,070 if if you had to just tell me the the 695 00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,300 most where your area of most concern 696 00:27:00,220 --> 00:26:58,400 surrounding biggest reason why or not 697 00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:00,230 yeah what's the biggest what's what's 698 00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:01,790 what's the biggest raise what's your 699 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:03,080 biggest concern 700 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:05,809 and and really get them to specify 701 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:08,690 something and then we can maybe address 702 00:27:13,210 --> 00:27:11,330 that and talk about that and get into it 703 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:13,220 a little bit deeper about how they came 704 00:27:18,029 --> 00:27:16,129 to that worry and what led them to being 705 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:18,039 concerned about that particular aspect 706 00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:21,070 but yeah it's complicated it's not easy 707 00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,940 which is power the problem because 708 00:27:26,409 --> 00:27:24,559 people think oh yes no there's an easy 709 00:27:27,609 --> 00:27:26,419 thing I'll do this I won't do that by 710 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:27,619 the way what's the wonder food I should 711 00:27:32,499 --> 00:27:30,950 be eating for permanent good health just 712 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:32,509 lots of different foods lots of fruit 713 00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:34,970 and vegetables and and lots of whole 714 00:27:38,529 --> 00:27:36,440 foods and those sort of things the 715 00:27:40,269 --> 00:27:38,539 variety that's the thing lots of factors 716 00:27:43,330 --> 00:27:40,279 all poor poor diet not a good idea 717 00:27:46,269 --> 00:27:43,340 and definitely not not restricting at 718 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:46,279 all or eating just one food and enjoying 719 00:27:49,509 --> 00:27:47,690 fruit I reckon that's the wonder drug 720 00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:49,519 like enjoying it and enjoying it how it 721 00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:51,669 brings us all together and how we all 722 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:54,169 enjoy it so that's a big thing we'll 723 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:55,730 enjoy your skeptical weekend I'll 724 00:28:17,330 --> 00:27:56,570 probably catch up with you again 725 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:21,289 south coast summer skeptic camp 8 726 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:25,750 Saturday the 29th of February 20 2010 30 727 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:35,669 he surf coasts I'm a skeptic amp SC SS 8 728 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:38,650 is Australia's longest-running skeptic 729 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:41,529 camp in 2020 we are celebrating our 730 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,100 eighth year skeptic camps are designed 731 00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:47,200 to give many members the opportunity to 732 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:50,049 present on a topic of their choice for 733 00:28:54,269 --> 00:28:51,700 about 20 minutes 734 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:54,279 skeptic apps have been running hundreds 735 00:29:00,899 --> 00:28:57,250 of locations and in many countries since 736 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:00,909 the first one was held in 2007 in Denver 737 00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:06,730 USA so if you want to share something on 738 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:09,549 a skeptically related topic in which you 739 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:11,529 are interested or highlight some 740 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,929 practices that you see is dubious that 741 00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:15,760 need to be brought to the attention of 742 00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:19,270 the skeptics community or something we 743 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:21,640 might find interesting please offer to 744 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:24,490 share your thoughts this is a sharing 745 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:27,250 event where many contributors combine to 746 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:30,990 have a great day in an idyllic location 747 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:34,270 speaking of having a great day aireys 748 00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:37,270 inlet is a picturesque township located 749 00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:40,120 on the Victorian serve coats the 750 00:29:45,779 --> 00:29:42,460 summertime is a great time to enjoy the 751 00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:45,789 delights of this location so why not 752 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,100 make a weekend of it and stay in the 753 00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:52,000 area for the night or few nights feel 754 00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,080 free to enjoy the location and the views 755 00:30:01,279 --> 00:29:58,480 at the end of the day we head to the 756 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:01,289 Aries pub for a drink dinner and 757 00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:04,570 sceptical discussion it is free to 758 00:30:09,149 --> 00:30:06,580 register we might ask for a small 759 00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:09,159 contribution maybe five dollars to cover 760 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:12,279 general costs office to present should 761 00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:14,049 be made to the skeptic groups of 762 00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:20,159 Victoria email address at SG o f e IC at 763 00:30:25,879 --> 00:30:22,950 gmail.com 764 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:25,889 as for the speakers we will update you 765 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:28,230 regularly but since this is a 766 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:30,840 participatory event you should consider 767 00:30:36,259 --> 00:30:35,129 making a contribution yourself to 768 00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:36,269 register at Meetup 769 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:38,279 just follow the links in this week's 770 00:30:42,349 --> 00:30:41,970 show notes Surf Coast summer skeptic 771 00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:42,359 camp 772 00:31:00,990 --> 00:30:59,200 and now a reading from the book of Tim 773 00:31:11,770 --> 00:31:01,000 [Music] 774 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:11,780 with Tim Mendham hi my name's Tim Mendel 775 00:31:15,910 --> 00:31:13,490 I'm executive officer of Australian 776 00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:15,920 skeptics Inc and I'm the editor of our 777 00:31:21,550 --> 00:31:19,160 magazine the skeptic and today I'll be 778 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:21,560 reading from a regular column of the 779 00:31:26,890 --> 00:31:24,500 magazine called what goes around now 780 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:26,900 this is designed to show you that as we 781 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:29,090 say the almost inevitable realization 782 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:31,330 that all knowledge is connected and 783 00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:34,820 connectable in classical conspiracy 784 00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:41,990 theory men are what we have is a lot of 785 00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:43,700 interesting facts that go around and 786 00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:45,680 around the page in a carousel format and 787 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:48,440 you can jump on anywhere you like but 788 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:50,800 today we'll start with the arrow points 789 00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:54,530 in the story of speaking spirits and 790 00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:57,470 psychic surgery this is what goes around 791 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:02,000 from the skeptic December 2017 volume 37 792 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:08,720 number four the first Australian 793 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:10,850 skeptics National Convention was held in 794 00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:14,390 Sydney during Easter 1985 as the first 795 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:16,520 such event in the country public and 796 00:32:21,790 --> 00:32:19,130 media interest was huge and several TV 797 00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:21,800 crews filming the event a special 798 00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:23,000 interest was a demonstration of 799 00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:25,340 glossolalia by noted linguists and 800 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:28,430 Canberra sceptic Don Leacock outside of 801 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:30,110 those who frequented faith healing 802 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:32,090 sessions on charismatic and Pentecostal 803 00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:34,100 meetings this was probably the first 804 00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:36,140 time many in the audience had heard an 805 00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:38,540 example of glossolalia more commonly 806 00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:41,260 referred to as speaking in tongues a 807 00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:43,030 distinction should be made between 808 00:32:48,670 --> 00:32:46,580 glossolalia and zeno glassy which means 809 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:48,680 speaking in a real language previously 810 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:52,010 unknown to the speaker glossolalia 811 00:32:55,780 --> 00:32:53,690 here's a phenomenon in which people 812 00:32:58,030 --> 00:32:55,790 appear to speak in unknown languages 813 00:33:00,140 --> 00:32:58,040 often sounding and being gibberish 814 00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,150 syllables delivered at a rapid 815 00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:03,000 i irate at an example the character of 816 00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:05,340 that card gravis played by the comedian 817 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:08,700 Andy Kaufman in the TV series taxi could 818 00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:11,130 be seen as speaking glossolalia without 819 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,270 their religious overtones 820 00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:14,340 when rattling off or suppose at Eastern 821 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:17,190 European language other religious groups 822 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:19,110 have been observed to practice some form 823 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:21,810 of theö new stick divinely inspired 824 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:24,930 glossolalia perhaps most commonly in 825 00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:27,720 paganism shamanism and other mediumistic 826 00:33:33,140 --> 00:33:30,030 religious practices as well as the 827 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:33,150 Voodoo religion of Haiti Hindu gurus and 828 00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:36,090 Muslim fakirs of India glossolalia has 829 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:38,160 even been suggested as an explanation 830 00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:40,890 for the 15th century Voynich manuscript 831 00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:43,380 written in a language yet to be 832 00:33:48,170 --> 00:33:46,920 deciphered speaking in tongues was seen 833 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,180 as one of the self-evident 834 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:51,360 manifestations of spirits that was an 835 00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:54,930 aspect of spiritism spiritism was 836 00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:57,000 developed by the 19th century French 837 00:34:02,780 --> 00:33:59,220 educator Allan Kardec 838 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:02,790 his real name was Hippolyte Leon Dennis 839 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,210 odd revile the language spoken could 840 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:08,820 possibly be described as emo glassy if 841 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:10,470 you happen to believe in real spirits 842 00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:13,409 who have a real language spiritism is a 843 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:16,409 quote spiritualistic philosophy which 844 00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:18,450 kardec proposed was the study of the 845 00:34:24,070 --> 00:34:21,540 nature origin and destiny of spirits and 846 00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:24,080 their relation with the corporeal world 847 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:26,640 it soon spread to other countries with 848 00:34:29,659 --> 00:34:28,290 strong followings in Brazil and 849 00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:29,669 Southeast Asia 850 00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,340 the term first appeared in kardec's book 851 00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:34,800 the spirits book which sought to 852 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:38,960 distinguish spiritism from spiritualism 853 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:42,270 both spiritism and spiritualism have 854 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,040 influenced the social movement of 855 00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:47,760 healing centers charity institutions and 856 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:50,790 hospitals one manifestation of this 857 00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:54,270 healing focus is psychic surgery in the 858 00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:55,950 Philippines the procedure was first 859 00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:58,650 noticed in the 1940s when performed 860 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:01,560 routinely by Ella Theriot today and his 861 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:04,650 pupil Tony egg power who was apparently 862 00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:07,290 associated with the Union s brightest 863 00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:09,960 star Christiana their Filipinos or the 864 00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:12,060 Christian Spiritist union of the 865 00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:14,630 Philippines the process creates 866 00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:17,240 illusion of performing surgery but the 867 00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:19,670 practitioner supposedly putting their 868 00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:22,430 bare hands into a patient's body to 869 00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:25,430 remove tumors an assistant will usually 870 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:27,320 remove the parts before they can be 871 00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:30,410 examined conveniently and the incision 872 00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:34,700 will spontaneously heal in 1959 the 873 00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:36,740 procedure came to the attention of the 874 00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:39,560 US public after the publication of into 875 00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:42,380 the strange unknown by Ron Ormond and 876 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:45,380 Ormond McGill the authors call the 877 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:48,290 practice fourth-dimensional surgery and 878 00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:50,450 wrote we still don't know what to think 879 00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:53,270 but we have motion pictures to show it 880 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:55,310 wasn't the work of any normal magician 881 00:36:00,810 --> 00:35:58,010 and could very well be just what the 882 00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,820 Filipinos said it was a miracle of God 883 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:02,720 performed by a fourth-dimensional 884 00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:06,770 surgeon in 1981 the Journal of religion 885 00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:10,280 and health reported on a 1973 tour of a 886 00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:12,500 group of medical doctors scientists and 887 00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:14,360 parapsychologist who visited the 888 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:17,980 Philippines to study the phenomenon 889 00:36:24,010 --> 00:36:20,960 psychic surgery also known as spiritual 890 00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:24,020 or magnetic healing was denounced by the 891 00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:26,180 US Federal Trade Commission as a total 892 00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:28,760 hoax and the American Cancer Society 893 00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:31,400 maintains that psychic surgery may cause 894 00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:34,310 needless death by keeping the ill away 895 00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:37,880 from life-saving medical care one such 896 00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:40,990 example was again Andy Kaufman of 897 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:44,270 glossolalia Fame who visited a Filipino 898 00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,110 psychic surgeon in March 1984 for a 899 00:36:54,130 --> 00:36:50,720 six-week session to cure a large cell 900 00:36:56,890 --> 00:36:54,140 carcinoma after the session Kaufman 901 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:56,900 declared that he had been cured and he 902 00:37:00,490 --> 00:36:57,770 died within weeks 903 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:00,500 one year later psychic surgery was 904 00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:02,110 publicly demonstrated in Australia 905 00:37:07,330 --> 00:37:05,000 possibly for the first time by magician 906 00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:07,340 Peter shields and two Filipino 907 00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:10,220 assistants this took place at the first 908 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:12,230 Australian skeptics National Convention 909 00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:16,850 held in Sydney during Easter 1985 this 910 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:22,390 [Music] 911 00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,610 so that's what goes around on speaking 912 00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:27,680 spirits and psychic surgery from the 913 00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:33,140 skeptic December 2017 volume 37 number 914 00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:34,950 four 915 00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:50,330 [Music] 916 00:37:58,860 --> 00:37:54,890 fatima kita indicator idiotic ass Dawa 917 00:38:02,040 --> 00:37:58,870 Australia Cara skip the chickpeas on to 918 00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:02,050 you carga could talk wrongly know what 919 00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:06,340 took us two days ago one sec I cheated 920 00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:09,580 so you are cut about not dr. deskah 921 00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,780 oh no no caster what it o it or not to 922 00:38:26,730 --> 00:38:15,280 me not cut about it 923 00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:26,740 show Kashi mass www.imtcva.org and I 924 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:29,940 start mad at me throw this to the top 925 00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:34,450 origami not he Kasasa top you Tsubasa 926 00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:37,360 not re Buddha of Khufu stop it 927 00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:40,710 jarasandha see not originally know 928 00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,400 origami not pasta down rotisserie 929 00:39:05,960 --> 00:38:46,480 kata-kata Chema's 930 00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:08,280 thank you for listening to the skeptic 931 00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:10,630 zone now as you would have heard during 932 00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:14,230 this week's episode skeptic camp is 933 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:16,600 coming up at the Surf Coast surface 934 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:19,930 Coast summer skeptic camp 8 and I 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00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:46,900 necessarily those of Australian skeptics 978 00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:49,820 or any other skeptical organization 979 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:01,650 other religious groups have been 980 00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:05,010 observed to practice some thought huh 981 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:08,830 who write this hello to the people who 982 00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:10,330 listen after the music no I haven't 983 00:42:15,110 --> 00:42:12,520 forgotten I haven't forgotten I did 984 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:15,120 bring a d-10 and died with me 985 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:19,630 so numbers from 1 to 10 will actually 986 00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:22,210 then that I've dropped it hmm come back 987 00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:24,790 the die actually has numbers from 0 to 1 988 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:28,510 but we count the 0 as 10 if it comes up 989 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:32,020 so you know the drill probably if you 990 00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:35,290 don't sometimes I roll my dice I die 10 991 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:38,860 times 10 times 3 times it said it's got 992 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:42,190 10 sides and you use your let's just say 993 00:42:49,590 --> 00:42:46,240 your predicting powers dumb luck no 994 00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:49,600 psychic ability who knows and then if 995 00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:52,600 you can guess the three numbers that 996 00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:55,060 come up that's odds of one in 1,000 so 997 00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,950 here we go first number are you ready 998 00:43:03,240 --> 00:42:58,560 here it comes 999 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:03,250 the first number this week is 4 so write 1000 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:05,610 that down with my skeptics own pencil 1001 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:09,910 pencil next number coming up ready 1002 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:15,970 predict away and what's that that is a 9 1003 00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:22,330 9 for 9 ok last number predict away here 1004 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:28,750 it comes now the 4 so this week's